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flip-flop

Page history last edited by Mike 12 years, 6 months ago

This poll from Vanderbilt University that Romney is not a flip-flopper: http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2008/01/vanderbilt-poll-explains-why-romneys-flip-flopper-label-sticks-political-scientist-says-anti-mormon-bias-finds-cover-58319/

 

This campaign flyer from 1994 (when according to the pendants he was a flaming liberal) shows that Abortion is the only issue that Romney has changed:

http://www.politico.com/pdf/wmr_1994_senate_flier_side_1.pdf

http://www.politico.com/pdf/wmr_1994_senate_flier_side_2.pdf

 

http://myclob.pbworks.com/Romney%20changed%20his%20position%20on%20gay%20marriage
http://myclob.pbworks.com/Romney%20changed%20his%20position%20on%20taxes


 

Even with Abortion, Romney did not change his position. Romney said he was pro-life, personally, but he promised he would not change the law in Massachusetts because he believes in the rule of law. I don't think you could read this editorial and still think Romney flip flopped on Abortion:
 

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/07/26/why_i_vetoed_contraception_bill/

 

So did Romney flip-flop? Everyone says he does, so he must, right? What are other things that everyone had wrong? They often say that we don't understand anything that is currently going on. We are too close... too many people with too many ulterior motives... That the only people who can understand us will be historians who are able to look at us without bias... 

 

There are stupid people all around who say stupid things. The key is to to listen to Bertrand Russell, who said: "It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true". You say Romney flip flopped. I have analyzed every accusation to believe that Romney flip-flopped and they are all bogus. If you don't believe me just look into it yourself. Here is an article from actual scientist who did actual research to understand why the accusation of flip-flopping follows Romney around:

 

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/news/releases/2008/1/18/vanderbilt-poll-explains-why-romneys-flip-flopper-label-sticks-political-scientist-says-anti-mormon-bias-finds-cover

 

Bias against Mitt Romney’s religion is one of the reasons that the tag “flip-flopper” sticks with the former Massachusetts governor but not his Republican opponents, according to Vanderbilt political scientist John Geer. “There is no question that Romney has changed his positions on some issues, but so have some of the other candidates,” Geer said. “Why does the label stick to Romney but not his opponents? At least some of the answer lies in Romney’s Mormon beliefs.”

 

Geer and colleagues Brett Benson of Vanderbilt and Jennifer Merolla of Claremont Graduate University designed an Internet survey to assess bias against Mormons, how best to combat it and its potential impact on the nomination process and general election campaign.

 

“We find that of those who accuse Romney of flip-flopping, many admit it is Romney’s Mormonism and not his flip-flopping that is the real issue,” Benson said. “Our survey shows that 26 percent of those who accuse Romney of flip-flopping also indicate that Mormonism, not flip-flopping, is their problem with Romney.” Benson noted that the pattern is especially strong for conservative Evangelicals. According to the poll, 57 percent of them have a bias against Mormons.

 

The poll, which was conducted by Polimetrix, included an oversample of Southern Evangelicals that Geer said measured bias with far more precision than previous efforts. The survey shows that 50 percent of conservative Evangelicals evaluate a moderate Christian candidate more positively than a conservative Mormon candidate.

 

The study’s findings suggest that criticizing Romney for flip-flopping is an effective campaign strategy because it sticks with two different groups: those who are genuinely concerned about Romney’s shifts on certain issues and those who use the label as cover for the fact that they do not want to vote for a Mormon for president.

 

“As the campaign continues to unfold, these data become increasingly relevant as the Republicans choose a presidential nominee,” Geer said.

 

Media Contact: Ann Marie Deer Owens, (615) 322-NEWS

annmarie.owens@vanderbilt.edu

 

Again, below are all of the accusations that I could find against Romney. I think you will find that I am fair and I tried to brainstorm all the reasons to agree and disagree. If you look at each accusation you will find that Romney has not changed his position.  

 

Governor Romney is a flip-floper

Reasons to agree

  1. Romney changed his position on abortion.          http://myclob.pbworks.com/w/page/21957597/Romney%20changed%20his%20position%20on%20abortion
  2. Romney changed his position on gay marriage.     http://myclob.pbworks.com/w/page/21957597/Romney%20changed%20his%20position%20on%20gay%20marriage
  3. Romney changed his position on taxes.      http://myclob.pbworks.com/w/page/21957597/Romney%20changed%20his%20position%20on%20taxes  
  4. Romney changed his explanation of why he voted for Paul Tsongas.       http://myclob.pbworks.com/w/page/21957597/Romney%20changed%20his%20explanation%20of%20why%20he%20voted%20for%20Paul%20Tsongas 
  5. Romney changed his position on guns.       http://myclob.pbworks.com/w/page/21957597/Romney%20changed%20his%20position%20on%20guns 
  6. The charge of flip-flopping is often misapplied.          http://myclob.pbworks.com/w/page/21957597/The%20charge%20of%20flip-flopping%20is%20often%20misapplied 
  7. Romney did not change his position on Mccain-Feingold.          http://myclob.pbworks.com/w/page/21957597/Romney%20did%20not%20change%20his%20position%20on%20Mccain-Feingold 

 

James Bopp Jr. wrote the best defence of Romney. He goes through item by item explaining in simple terms that even a reporter could understand, if they spent 1/2 a minute thinking about it. Here is a link to it:

 

http://myclob.pbworks.com/w/page/21957597/James%20Bopp%20Jr

 

 

  1. . Romney advocated states rights when it comes to abortion, and he declared a truce on the issue in Massachusetts. He said he would not change the laws. Now that he is running for president of the United States, he is asserting the same thing: each state should have the right to choose their abortion laws. So he has kind of changed his position from advocating that Massachusetts be able to remain pro-choice, to Massachusetts should remain pro-choice and other states should also get to choose their abortion policy, as he seeks to represent those from more states than Massachusetts. If you want to call that a flip, sure, go ahead. But I get to call you an idiot, if you try and call Mitt Romney a flip flopper, because a “flip flop” implies that he changed his position, and then changed it back again. And Abortion is the only issue that you could try and say his vies have changed. But even this is stupid. Is John R. Bohrer saying that we should never vote for someone whose views have changed? Did he really write a senior paper on JFK, Martin Luther King, and Cesar Chavez? Does he want to see examples were they advocated different things in DIFFERENT situations?

 

But I personally think the whole issue is stupid. If I ever ran for office, some things I would care a lot about, and some things I would let the people choose. Some things I would respect the people's voice. Their job is to represent what the people want, as well as to do what they want.

 

Reasons to agree:

  1. Let’s say someone is extremely qualified as a Governor, who happens to live in a liberal state. This person is the only person who could balance the budget and keep taxes down. But they would never get elected if they advocated all of their conservative beliefs. This person should be allowed to declare a truce on his conservative beliefs that would prevent him from getting elected, and keep these to himself, and get into office, keeping his promise to only advance those conservative issues that he said he would advance in the election. So this person finishes up the term, and kept his promise. He balanced the budget without raising taxes, and kept his promise to not advance his conservative beliefs that would have prevented him from getting elected in this very liberal state. Now this person is done with this state. He has done all that he could do. He balanced there budget, without raising taxes, and did kept true to his word on the truce that he made on those issues that would have prevented him from getting into office. He balanced their budget, and they spit in his eye every day. Now this candidate sees bigger problems than just the state budget that he balanced. There is a gigantic federal deficit. He sees himself as being uniquely qualified to balance the budget, and still promote pro-business agenda with his background in strategic business consulting. Should this person be kept from office because he declared a truce on issues that would have prevented a republican from getting elected in a liberal strong hold? Should this person have suffered a noble defeat, and stayed with his principals? Is defeat noble, or is it nobler to win, and serve your country?

 

George S. Patten said “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” Republicans have this word called “RINO”. It means “Republican in name only”. Democrats have not used the word “DINO”. They beat us in the last election. They ran very conservative democrats. They get to be in charge. They get to set the agenda. Republicans seem to hate each other more than they hate the democrats. We need to come together and win. A house divided against itself can not stand. Should we use the word “RINO”? Is it good to be calling each other names, or should be talk issues. In stead of calling someone a RINO why don’t we try saying specifically what we disagree with. Not all republicans agree exactly on what the most important issues are. We are a coalition of like minded people. There is no pure doctrine. There is a platform, but no one agrees 100% with it. Some people don’t like this wording, some people don’t like that. Some people think some things should be emphasized more than others.

 

People have called Arnold Schwarzenegger, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, and about ever other candidate out there a RINO. Just Google “RINO” and any republican, and you will find another republican calling that person a Republican in Name Only. The term is stupid, because who determines what a true republican is? Apparently the person calling the other person a RINO is the only true measure of a true republican. Everyone who disagrees with him is a less than 100% pure.

 

Reasons to disagree"

 

Brownback

 

Brownback Flip Flops

 

Questions for Governor Mitt Romney

 

  1. Are you a flip-flopper?

 

Mitt Romney on 60 Minutes with Mike Wallace - Flip Flop Rap

 

 

Flip Flops Questions for Mitt Romney

  1. 1st Debate
    1. Have you always been for life or effectively pro-choice?
  2. 2nd Debate
    1. Why isn't your pledge to not raise taxes a blatant appeal to the party base?
  3. Robert B Bluey
    1. Are you a flip-flopper?

 

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